Talk:Nice Peter vs EpicLLOYD 2/@comment-24328089-20170310001621/@comment-24328089-20170310060731

The creator can choose to approach time travel in a logically sound and internally consistent way. Or they can fill it with paradoxes for now reason other than to wow the audience with circular logic.

Arrival, as well as all of the other movies you listed, did the latter, it came virtually out of nowhere, and I find it very hard to enjoy the movie on any level when the most important aspect, the plot, in entirely in shambles. Azkaban, I can forgive, because it's a series that's already 100% detached from reality.

The "would you have a happy time with your daughter even if you knew she was going to die eventually" theme was not present until like the last 20 minutes or so of the movie. If you had pulled me away from the film the moment after she steps out of the weird alien mist chamber, my only problem with the film would have been that the sped past the early stages of communication development too quickly. (They went from "Ian Walks" to "Abbot is in death process" and didn't really show us how the humans and aliens came to communicate "death" or "weapon". Minor complaint.)

The scenes of her daughter appeared to be character building scenes up until the point where it's confirmed that the daughter was not yet born. (Personally, I started to realize the direction the film was going in when Amy Adams told her daughter that her father was the one who knew science stuff. And when Amy Adams asked "who is this girl?")

The daughter scenes remind me a lot of Gladiator. Personally, I think the film still could have begun with future scenes of her daughter, just as it did, symbolizing the circular nature of the septopod's language. That would have been interesting enough.

I would have changed the climax though, so it wasn't some lazy dues ex machina of Amy Adams suddenly knowing the guys phone number and his wife's last words completely out of nowhere. Maybe actually make it something that feels suspenseful too.