Talk:Nice Peter vs EpicLLOYD 2/@comment-3137688-20181016034626/@comment-4490782-20181017113406

Hi.

Left was objectively wrong because he referred to two imperatives as "the truth", when orders like "be submissive" and "don't be cucks" are not sentences that have a verifiable component. Even if it were rephrased in a way to be indicative it would still be relying on a fallacy that natural norms are somehow universally applicable or suggestive of how things "ought to be".

Granted the assumption that there is no intelligent design, nature is entirely neutral and anarchic and roles which arise from the average physiology of different species and their sexes cannot be broadly used to define what one rational agent must or must not do. We know that nature does not necessarily lead to the best for one species or another because nature can be at odds with itself, e.g. how the Dodo's lack of fear towards a larger predator and inability to fly probably caused its extinction despite those traits being an advantage for humans. For the dodo to have survived that long though there must have been some advantage to its phenotype that was then nullified by a force for which it did not account. Similarly, in the past men have led because humans were dumb and the primary reason for someone to lead would have been physical dominance both over the others in their tribe and in the field of hunting and providing. While its true that men on average will be physically stronger than women, in a societal climate where there is essentially no reason to account for physical traits, applying the norms of a "society" where people died routinely at age 30 from disease to the modern day goes beyond regressive to the point of being potentially destructive. There are women who lead better than men and men who look after children better than women. That is a product of both that person's nature and nurture and I don't see how it is harmful in any way.

Also lol at criticising incel as a buzzword but not cuck?

Anyway upshot is that I know Left is like 30-60% shitposting but extrapolating subjective views on the way society ought to be from S C I E N C E and then passing those views off as the "correct" way is an entirely different kettle of fish to just stating what male and female normative physical traits might imply. This construction of an argument indicates a complete inability to apply even the most basic rules of logic and the principles of necessity and supposition.